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Fourth of July thoughts
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edward ohare
2007-07-05 05:20:15 UTC
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As I start writing this, its a few minutes into July 5. I still hear
an occasional explosion of fireworks, the work of private citizens;
the large professional fireworks shows have all been over for two
hours or more. Many of the professional shows included at some
point a performance of the National Anthem, stated years ago by former
Indiana Congressman Andy Jacobs to be a song of war, and one that
should be replaced by America the Beautiful.

Congressman Jacobs, however, was out of step with his Hoosier
constituents and most Americans on this issue. And he was, at least
when considered during a superficial evaluation, out of step with
Hoosiers on other things too, being a vegetarian living in a meat
consuming and producing State, a peaceful individual in a State where
many residents considered the attitude leading up to a bar room brawl
was appropriate foreign policy, and a Democrat in a State that usually
voted Republican.

Yet despite all these differences, only once in over thirty years were
the Republicans able to gerrymander his district into one where he
couldn't win. Hoosiers voted for him because he ran clean campaigns
and because he was widely perceived as being honest.

But I wonder, if today, Jacobs might consider the Anthem to be a song
raising a serious question, rather than one glorifying war. I never
considered it to be a pro war song; rather I saw it as one relating an
historical event. Most Americans have gotten to the point of merely
reciting the words and have not considered the story.

At dusk, Francis Scott Key saw the Flag flying over the American fort.
During the night battle, he could see it because the explosions
illuminated it. At dawn, there was no question about the outcome of
the battle: the Americans hadn't won, but they hadn't lost either.
America was still the land of the free and home of the brave. But
Key's question was whether the symbol, the flag, was still flying over
that land and home.

"Oh say does that star spangled banner still wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?"

It was.

Today I asked myself that question, not in the context of history, but
in the context of today.

"Oh say does that star spangled banner still wave
O'er the land of the free and the home or the brave?"

And I concluded the Flag is flying, but not over the land of the free
and the home of the brave.
redc1c4
2007-07-05 07:44:50 UTC
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edward ohare wrote:
(mercy snipage occurs)
Post by edward ohare
And I concluded the Flag is flying, but not over the land of the free
and the home of the brave.
that's because you live in Florida......

redc1c4,
(a self inflicted wound if there ever was one. %-)
--
"Enlisted men are stupid, but extremely cunning and sly, and bear
considerable watching."

Army Officer's Guide
edward ohare
2007-07-05 23:53:22 UTC
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 07:44:50 GMT, redc1c4
Post by redc1c4
(mercy snipage occurs)
Post by edward ohare
And I concluded the Flag is flying, but not over the land of the free
and the home of the brave.
that's because you live in Florida......
Place of residence is irrelevant to my point.
Post by redc1c4
redc1c4,
(a self inflicted wound if there ever was one. %-)
No wound here.
toto
2007-07-14 18:10:55 UTC
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 01:20:15 -0400, edward ohare
Post by edward ohare
And I concluded the Flag is flying, but not over the land of the free
and the home of the brave.
Hey, Ed.....

I will say that our country is certainly not as free as it once was,
but I am not sure that even in the historical context, the people of
this nation at that time were free. Some were freer than others as it
has always been.


--
Dorothy

There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..

The Outer Limits
edward ohare
2007-08-05 01:34:52 UTC
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Post by toto
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 01:20:15 -0400, edward ohare
Post by edward ohare
And I concluded the Flag is flying, but not over the land of the free
and the home of the brave.
Hey, Ed.....
I will say that our country is certainly not as free as it once was,
but I am not sure that even in the historical context, the people of
this nation at that time were free. Some were freer than others as it
has always been.
Certainly. In 1814, freedom as advertised didn't apply to over half
the population.

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